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		<title>By: She&#8217;s Geeky&#8230;It&#8217;s Personal&#160;&#124;&#160;1&#215;57</title>
		<link>http://1x57.com/2009/09/11/the-gov-2-0-showdown/comment-page-1/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>She&#8217;s Geeky&#8230;It&#8217;s Personal&#160;&#124;&#160;1&#215;57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reason I am supporting and promoting She&#8217;s Geeky. It&#8217;s why I&#8217;m being vocal about events I see as gender-biased and why I won&#8217;t be spending a single penny on any company, product or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reason I am supporting and promoting She&#8217;s Geeky. It&#8217;s why I&#8217;m being vocal about events I see as gender-biased and why I won&#8217;t be spending a single penny on any company, product or [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Government 2.0: The State of the Meme : Steven J. Mandzik</title>
		<link>http://1x57.com/2009/09/11/the-gov-2-0-showdown/comment-page-1/#comment-311</link>
		<dc:creator>Government 2.0: The State of the Meme : Steven J. Mandzik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For an interesting review on the event check out Amy Senger&#8217;s &#8216;The Gov 2.0 Showdown&#8216; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For an interesting review on the event check out Amy Senger&#8217;s &#8216;The Gov 2.0 Showdown&#8216; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://1x57.com/2009/09/11/the-gov-2-0-showdown/comment-page-1/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, Thanks for your feedback. 

Mark, Thanks to you &amp; the members of the Showcase committee. You all did a fantastic job. I would be more than happy to be a part of planning and partipating in next year&#039;s events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, Thanks for your feedback. </p>
<p>Mark, Thanks to you &amp; the members of the Showcase committee. You all did a fantastic job. I would be more than happy to be a part of planning and partipating in next year&#8217;s events.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Gourley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Gourley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So clearly a good thing about Amy and Mark is neither fear expressing their views. Brian Drake&#039;s piece is good too.  I&#039;m trying to think of some value add I can write from my perspective to put on my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So clearly a good thing about Amy and Mark is neither fear expressing their views. Brian Drake&#8217;s piece is good too.  I&#8217;m trying to think of some value add I can write from my perspective to put on my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Drapeau</title>
		<link>http://1x57.com/2009/09/11/the-gov-2-0-showdown/comment-page-1/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Drapeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary: Thanks for your thoughts. This is not about me &quot;tasking&quot; people to do things I should be doing. This is about people choosing to be part of a community, or sitting on the sidelines and nitpicking. 

In the way of an example, here&#039;s an alternative review of the Gov 2.0 events this past week: http://briandrake.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/inspiring-the-intra-government-2-0-movement/ The writer (1) actually attended the events so he knows what he&#039;s talking about (2) didn&#039;t have a negative, linkbait title (3) had some reasonable postitive and negative comments (4) is actually DOING something about it - he&#039;s already planning a complimentary event with three other people (who all attended most of the three days) in order to drill down into a subset of topics in a different atmosphere. This is smart, commendable, and a model for others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary: Thanks for your thoughts. This is not about me &#8220;tasking&#8221; people to do things I should be doing. This is about people choosing to be part of a community, or sitting on the sidelines and nitpicking. </p>
<p>In the way of an example, here&#8217;s an alternative review of the Gov 2.0 events this past week: <a href="http://briandrake.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/inspiring-the-intra-government-2-0-movement/" rel="nofollow">http://briandrake.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/inspiring-the-intra-government-2-0-movement/</a> The writer (1) actually attended the events so he knows what he&#8217;s talking about (2) didn&#8217;t have a negative, linkbait title (3) had some reasonable postitive and negative comments (4) is actually DOING something about it &#8211; he&#8217;s already planning a complimentary event with three other people (who all attended most of the three days) in order to drill down into a subset of topics in a different atmosphere. This is smart, commendable, and a model for others.</p>
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		<title>By: mary hodder</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary hodder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark and Aaron,
Actually, regarding speakers staying around after their speaking times, I find that the big difference is whether they&#039;ve traveled to be there. Hold a conf near where I live and I pop in to speak and then leave. I have a lot to do in that place. Hold a conf where I can do business, like NYC, and I speak, hang for maybe a meal after, and leave  for meetings. Hold it somewhere else and I notice others, myself included, are willing to hang around.

So.. expecting any speakers to hang around in a place they live/work or can do business in, like WDC, is unrealistic. No one is going to do so, except the people who can do neither (in your case, geeks from SV will hang for a while..).

Also, I looked at both expo and summit schedules, and Amy and Aaron are right: having 5 speakers and two moderators address something panel-style for 25 to 35 min after 5 min lightening talks is going to be superficial. You can either go deep, with one person, or go long on time for in depth results, or do the short thing with limited results. But much of what I heard back from people who attended was that both events were superficial (I couldn&#039;t attend myself because I couldn&#039;t justify it against my work schedule, though I believe the topic really matters). 

Mark:
Rather than get agro on Amy for suggesting deeper addressing of the issues covered, or suggest that the topics and depth should wait for other events, why not figure out how to go deeper? Or explain what you are doing better? Maybe it&#039;s a marketing problem?

Instead of tasking Amy or any of us with how to go deeper, and be more substantive, you should be doing that as part of throwing your conf. Or, change the marketing. Say: we&#039;re doing a brief summary of everything there is to know.. breadth not depth. Set our expectations. Ether way, at least  we&#039;ll know what you intend. 

But the marketing of the Summit and Expo (since they were right next to each other, thrown in tandem, they were pretty intertwined from an outsider&#039;s perspective) led me to believe it was far more in depth than it appears actually happened. 

If your attending users agree, you have a marketing problem or a product problem. Just fix it and stop attacking the users. Usability, usability, usab....

Also it&#039;s too important a topic to assume that having a non-diverse value set cover Gov20 is okay. By definition, you should have a wide variety of value-sets showing them off your topics, whether you go wide and shallow, or deep on the topics. That is one area where wide/breadth is a must.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark and Aaron,<br />
Actually, regarding speakers staying around after their speaking times, I find that the big difference is whether they&#8217;ve traveled to be there. Hold a conf near where I live and I pop in to speak and then leave. I have a lot to do in that place. Hold a conf where I can do business, like NYC, and I speak, hang for maybe a meal after, and leave  for meetings. Hold it somewhere else and I notice others, myself included, are willing to hang around.</p>
<p>So.. expecting any speakers to hang around in a place they live/work or can do business in, like WDC, is unrealistic. No one is going to do so, except the people who can do neither (in your case, geeks from SV will hang for a while..).</p>
<p>Also, I looked at both expo and summit schedules, and Amy and Aaron are right: having 5 speakers and two moderators address something panel-style for 25 to 35 min after 5 min lightening talks is going to be superficial. You can either go deep, with one person, or go long on time for in depth results, or do the short thing with limited results. But much of what I heard back from people who attended was that both events were superficial (I couldn&#8217;t attend myself because I couldn&#8217;t justify it against my work schedule, though I believe the topic really matters). </p>
<p>Mark:<br />
Rather than get agro on Amy for suggesting deeper addressing of the issues covered, or suggest that the topics and depth should wait for other events, why not figure out how to go deeper? Or explain what you are doing better? Maybe it&#8217;s a marketing problem?</p>
<p>Instead of tasking Amy or any of us with how to go deeper, and be more substantive, you should be doing that as part of throwing your conf. Or, change the marketing. Say: we&#8217;re doing a brief summary of everything there is to know.. breadth not depth. Set our expectations. Ether way, at least  we&#8217;ll know what you intend. </p>
<p>But the marketing of the Summit and Expo (since they were right next to each other, thrown in tandem, they were pretty intertwined from an outsider&#8217;s perspective) led me to believe it was far more in depth than it appears actually happened. </p>
<p>If your attending users agree, you have a marketing problem or a product problem. Just fix it and stop attacking the users. Usability, usability, usab&#8230;.</p>
<p>Also it&#8217;s too important a topic to assume that having a non-diverse value set cover Gov20 is okay. By definition, you should have a wide variety of value-sets showing them off your topics, whether you go wide and shallow, or deep on the topics. That is one area where wide/breadth is a must.</p>
<p>mary</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Brazell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 06:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark: I&#039;ve spoken at dozens of events, many of which are multiple days. People who speak often do not attend for the whole event because, as you note, we&#039;re busy. It&#039;s not hard to get the real people in for an hour to speak on a panel.

In fact, this is why Q&amp;A is so important... most of these people leave shortly after a session ends so it is the essential time when attendees &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; talk to the speakers.

Not that it&#039;s ideal, but it&#039;s generally a realistic expectation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: I&#8217;ve spoken at dozens of events, many of which are multiple days. People who speak often do not attend for the whole event because, as you note, we&#8217;re busy. It&#8217;s not hard to get the real people in for an hour to speak on a panel.</p>
<p>In fact, this is why Q&amp;A is so important&#8230; most of these people leave shortly after a session ends so it is the essential time when attendees <em>can</em> talk to the speakers.</p>
<p>Not that it&#8217;s ideal, but it&#8217;s generally a realistic expectation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Drapeau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Drapeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 02:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron: I agree with a lot of what you wrote about Summit. That doesn&#039;t mean I think the Summit should change a lot, but I think that the Expo in May will incorporate many of those features you talk about. The two events will serve different purposes and audiences. On a side note, it is very hard to get &quot;government decision makers who really do shit&quot; to sit at a conference for two full days, and I think that was reflected in the Summit audience (we also were unable to comp tickets to certain govies because of their rules) and the fact that many gov&#039;t speakers did not stay to mingle, while many private sector ones did (I must&#039;ve accidentally bumped into Vint Cerf three times). Gov leaders often seem to only have time to do work, and not to learn how to do their work better. An ongoing struggle. Thanks, Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron: I agree with a lot of what you wrote about Summit. That doesn&#8217;t mean I think the Summit should change a lot, but I think that the Expo in May will incorporate many of those features you talk about. The two events will serve different purposes and audiences. On a side note, it is very hard to get &#8220;government decision makers who really do shit&#8221; to sit at a conference for two full days, and I think that was reflected in the Summit audience (we also were unable to comp tickets to certain govies because of their rules) and the fact that many gov&#8217;t speakers did not stay to mingle, while many private sector ones did (I must&#8217;ve accidentally bumped into Vint Cerf three times). Gov leaders often seem to only have time to do work, and not to learn how to do their work better. An ongoing struggle. Thanks, Mark</p>
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		<title>By: aaron brazell</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron brazell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To backup Mark (when does that happen?!) I did not speak on the expo. In fact, I only attended on Wed at the Summit.

I did not sit in on all the sessions (too many, made me angry) but the handful that I did were lacking in interaction. I also feel like the speaker lineup was a bit, shall we say, cliché. I&#039;m one voice, but I do feel like I represent a significant portion of people who attended. This is not positioning. Its just true.

I want to see G2S take an approach of NOT knowing all there is to know about next-gen government. I&#039;d like to see real leaders iin government - real ones... Who do shit - to stand up and explain to the outside the beltway aces, who are fantastic in their own worlds but may be lacking in insight here - how this movement evolves as a productive movement.

Thanks for the link, Amy.

Also, as a sidenotem Go Ravens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To backup Mark (when does that happen?!) I did not speak on the expo. In fact, I only attended on Wed at the Summit.</p>
<p>I did not sit in on all the sessions (too many, made me angry) but the handful that I did were lacking in interaction. I also feel like the speaker lineup was a bit, shall we say, cliché. I&#8217;m one voice, but I do feel like I represent a significant portion of people who attended. This is not positioning. Its just true.</p>
<p>I want to see G2S take an approach of NOT knowing all there is to know about next-gen government. I&#8217;d like to see real leaders iin government &#8211; real ones&#8230; Who do shit &#8211; to stand up and explain to the outside the beltway aces, who are fantastic in their own worlds but may be lacking in insight here &#8211; how this movement evolves as a productive movement.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link, Amy.</p>
<p>Also, as a sidenotem Go Ravens.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Drapeau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Drapeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy: Sorry, no, you don&#039;t. Aaron didn&#039;t write a word about the Expo Showcase, so you can&#039;t say the idea was from him. You say that the panels &quot;seemed&quot; less than 30 min but if you did research before writing you could have easily looked up the schedule http://www.gov2expo.com/gov2expo2009/public/schedule/grid and seen that they were. In fact, we ran a little over the allotted time. (We could have made them an hour each, but then the event would have ended around 9pm, so that criticism is unreasonable. And would 40 min been sigificantly better than 30?) Finally, the point of the (hint) &quot;Showcase&quot; was not to have an &quot;in depth exploration&quot; of topics - it was to showcase them. In depth exploration of topics is not for a Showcase, nor a high-level Summit, so that is a critique that is completely off-topic. Perhaps it will be part of the Expo in May, and perhaps it&#039;s better left to other groups with more detailed, specific, drilled-down interests, and perhaps it&#039;s part of other great events like CongressCamp happening this weekend. Events cannot be one stop shops where everyone is pleased about every nuance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy: Sorry, no, you don&#8217;t. Aaron didn&#8217;t write a word about the Expo Showcase, so you can&#8217;t say the idea was from him. You say that the panels &#8220;seemed&#8221; less than 30 min but if you did research before writing you could have easily looked up the schedule <a href="http://www.gov2expo.com/gov2expo2009/public/schedule/grid" rel="nofollow">http://www.gov2expo.com/gov2expo2009/public/schedule/grid</a> and seen that they were. In fact, we ran a little over the allotted time. (We could have made them an hour each, but then the event would have ended around 9pm, so that criticism is unreasonable. And would 40 min been sigificantly better than 30?) Finally, the point of the (hint) &#8220;Showcase&#8221; was not to have an &#8220;in depth exploration&#8221; of topics &#8211; it was to showcase them. In depth exploration of topics is not for a Showcase, nor a high-level Summit, so that is a critique that is completely off-topic. Perhaps it will be part of the Expo in May, and perhaps it&#8217;s better left to other groups with more detailed, specific, drilled-down interests, and perhaps it&#8217;s part of other great events like CongressCamp happening this weekend. Events cannot be one stop shops where everyone is pleased about every nuance.</p>
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